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A Five-Year Silence
Sara explains that her marriage fell apart and then her children and husband turned on her. Her ex-husband, Mark, explains why he’s scared of his ex-wife and obtained a restraining order against her.
In a previous interview, Mark’s wife, Mikel, says she felt threatened by Sara. She says after receiving ugly emails from Sara for several months, she also got a restraining order against her. “When someone is that unstable and that angry, you just don’t know what they’re capable of,” she says.
Mark and Mikel say they haven’t had any contact with Sara in a year, but they’ve lifted their restraining orders in order to face her with Dr. Phil.
Mark tells Dr. Phil that he has always encouraged a relationship between Sara and their children but says Sara needs to make some changes before it’ll happen.
Sara tells Dr. Phil that it’s been over five years since she’s seen her children. “I want to move forward with my children,” she says. “I’m a wonderful person, and I’m a kind mother.” Sara denies sending ugly emails to Mikel and says their restraining orders against her are another example of how they’re trying to alienate her from her children.
Dr. Phil tells Mark and Sara that parental alienation and false allegations of parental alienation will come back to bite them. “Experts have validated it. They told me,” Sara insists. “Well, here’s an expert telling you the jury is still out. Children can become alienated by the acts of a spouse, or they could become alienated from a parent by the acts of that parent,” Dr. Phil says.
A Daughter Estranged
Sara and Mark’s daughter, Julie, 22, agreed to come on the show and face her mother, but their two sons adamantly refused. Julie says she hasn’t spoken with her mother in over four years.
In a previous interview, Julie says her mother has left her hundreds of voicemails and emails. “She’ll address them to: ‘Dear My Wonderful but Mentally Abused Children with Parental Alienation Syndrome,’ telling me I’m sick, like, how long am I going to let my father control me? I need to learn to stand up to my dad, like, five, six pages long, just ranting, just all of her complaints,” Julie says. “I’ve just completely ignored her.”
Julie tells Dr. Phil that if anyone disagrees with her mother — judges, pastors, therapists — she claims her father paid them off.
“You do blame a lot of people,” Dr. Phil tells Sara.
“I don’t blame anybody,” Sara says. “I’m stating the facts.”
“Sara, I said that the fuel that moves this train is insight. What ownership do you have in this problem and what could you do to inspire an open mind on her part?” Dr. Phil asks.
“What I could do is to continue to love you,” Sara tells Julie.
Julie argues that she and her mother didn’t have a good relationship long before her parents got divorced. When Sara cites the fact that Julie did so well in school, Julie says, “Just because I did well doesn’t mean you didn’t hurt me.”
Julie tearfully explains that from third grade through fifth grade, she was cutting herself. “It was always when my mom would yell at me for stupid reasons, and I felt like I could never do anything right,” she says. “No matter what I did, she would always be yelling at me, so I would run to bathroom and cry every day … I didn’t know what to do. I could never make her happy.”
When Sara suggests they just work on moving forward, Julie tells her, “I can’t move forward without you recognizing that you have some things to work on as well.”
When Sara denies Julie’s accusations, Dr. Phil says, “You really don’t want to hear any of this, do you?”
“I think it needs to be heard with a therapist because this is delusional,” she says.
Julie tells her mother, “You’ve gotten way worse. I think you need help. You need to realize dad is not doing anything — you are the reason why we don’t talk to you, because of the things you’ve done, and we want to help you. That’s why we’re here.”
Dr. Phil explains the tools that alienators can use to brainwash children against a parent. Is it possible that Sara is alienating her children from herself?
Dr. Phil offers professional counseling for Sara and Julie to foster a healthy relationship moving forward. They accept.